Wrong Side of 7am
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onous, spoiled, baby of a country that America is. I remember when 9/11 happened. I just wrote, in my journal, "God, like, I'll give up whatever I have to-" just my personal thoughts, you know? "This is a really terrible eye opening thing." And I couldn't stop thinking that it was because the country just keeps wanting more and more...
By "giving up" do you mean freedoms, or privileges that come with a capitalist society as ours?
FRED: Privileges. I don't understand--I mean, you would have to define a freedom for me to understand what it would mean to give it up. I'm not challenging you--I'm saying, I just feel as though, like, today--there were 700 pizzas down there (at the venue) and I ate three pieces and I totally feel sick but you know, I don't even think about it. And so many people are super hungry all the time, in this country, so many people in the world are going hungry, living in abhorrent, terrifically unhealthy, terrible environments based on the way this country operates for the last like, 30-40 years, and that's gonna take a lot of rebuilding, you know what I mean? So I don't know if either President is gonna make me think, "Oh, great, the long term is getting better, he's making it great-" I just think it's become the lesser of two evils. Sorry to filibuster on this entire issue.
You mentioned sacrifice. And it's interesting that Charles Rangel, a Representative from New York--and you wouldn't think this from a liberal--but he was advocating the draft as a way to hammer home the sacrifice needed in a war, and to bring the war to the doorsteps of those people inert on the matter. That's partially why they've been able to perpetrate the war--we haven't had to even consider how it affects us.
SCOTT S: A certain segment of the population hasn't had to stop and think about what this war actually means. I mean, a significant portion of my high school went and fought in the first Gulf War because that's what you did. A lot of people went into the military because a lot of them were in trouble with the law or for various reasons. I really don't think a lot of the population have to deal with the repercussions of this war--and a draft, theoretically, would bring that home. If there was a way to widen the disparity between those who go and those who can get away from it, to bring the consequences to everyone if we are to go to war, I think that'd be healthy.
ELLIOTT: The thing that is really deeply upsetting to me is that like, instant stratification that happened after 9/11 and I think that Bush cultivated an atmosphere that really polarized the Muslim world and the Christian/ Judeo world, and there are already many existing conflicts in the world ? Africa--and I think that putting America at the forefront of pushing on that rift is really disappointing, especially at a time when there's a lot of spiritual deadness in our country, especially in the youth. It's tough, I mean, you read all the language of Bush's speeches form day one and it's been all us/ them. Even post-9/11 he was very sloppy with his language and how he talks about Islam, terrorists is damaging. So for anyone that isn't honed in on his ve
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